tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9396860.post110417143710572443..comments2024-03-28T03:07:38.250-04:00Comments on <center> Ralph the Sacred River </center>: Who Put the Bin in Osama Bin Laden?Edhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/05188482189638751204noreply@blogger.comBlogger3125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9396860.post-1104179809372522002004-12-27T15:36:00.000-05:002004-12-27T15:36:00.000-05:00In the declined form 'ibn' apparently turns to 'bn...In the declined form 'ibn' apparently turns to 'bn/u', which has been polished to 'bin', the only form adopted by and thus familiar to the Western media. So the family-clan name ibnLadin (cf. ibnSaud) has turned into binLadin (some argue for the terror era that followed after the assassination of his teacher 'Abdullah 'Azzam in Peshawar 1989).<br /><br /><br />_DierkDierk van den Berghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14108808140654169887noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9396860.post-1104176741262687832004-12-27T14:45:00.000-05:002004-12-27T14:45:00.000-05:00That's good information, but it doesn't answer my ...That's good information, but it doesn't answer my question. Let me put it a different way: In OBL's dialect, is "bin" used regardless of the phonetic environment? Would one indeed say, for instance, "Muhammad Bin Laden" or "Muhammad Ibn Laden"? <br /><br />(Personally, I drink coffee around the clock.)EMChttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02505525490002421093noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9396860.post-1104173674160185792004-12-27T13:54:00.000-05:002004-12-27T13:54:00.000-05:00In Arabic there is only one spelling, but the tran...In Arabic there is only one spelling, but the transcription into Latin letters knows variants like Ben Laden, Bin Ladin, bin Ladin, bin Laden and BinLaden. His first name, Usama, is easily pronounced by Americans as Yusama, therefore Arabs often write Osama. Originally, BinLaden was a Yemenite clan name, forwarded by his fertile father Muhammad BinLadin over the Arab Penisula (Al-Jazirah) of the Saud clan. However, acc. to Arab custom he is called AbuMuhammad Usama binMuhammad BinLadin - Father of Muhammad, Usama, son of Muhammad of the "sons of Ladin". I recall the War Scroll 1QM and need a cup of coffee now. Would you also care for a cup of coffee now?<br /><br />tot ziens,<br />Dierk<br />KU Nijmegen (NL)Dierk van den Berghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14108808140654169887noreply@blogger.com